Simon Rummel is a composer with a penchant for the visual arts. For the ON Podcast in March, he spoke with two artists who also have a multidisciplinary background, but who now work mainly in the visual arts. First he meets Liv Schwenk in New York. The artist applies algorithmic methods to graphic processes and experiments with rule-based improvisation. His second episode takes Simon Rummel to a Cologne attic flat to meet the versatile Klaus Hans Findl. After switching sides a few times from music to text and theatre, the artist now finds himself in his visual art. Conversations between the pages.