Kai Niggemann is a sound artist from Cologne. He is currently using a very personal approach and his Buchla 200e Electric Music Box to create poetic abstract music. In his two episodes of »Wie Wir Reden« (How We Talk), he meets Cologne-based flutist and composer Conni Trieder and Bielefeld-based sound artist, synthesiser DIYer and circuit bender Peter Schwieger. Two conversations about composing, destroying, everyday family life and everyday Corona life – two conversations with optimism.